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Group Notes


This page is for everyone. Collaborative notes: yeehaw!


Saturday Morning





General Notes (latest to oldest):


Act II, Afternoon:

Volunteers read scripts, group discusses.

(Bob, the script author's disclaimer: scripts were meant to stimulate discussion as opposed to reflect reality accurately)

{we need a link to the mind map images from the acted scenes here}

{we need a link to the scripts here}


Scene 4:

Linda: Far right groups dominate the stem cell issue, but don't understand the biology and science behind it, so in many ways it's an education issue. In Missouri, the legislature prevented the use of tobacco money for human health issues because they were afraid of it being used for stem cell research...Also, some groups suppress people's opinions and issues are dominated by a vocal minority.

Hunter: Often the people who dominate discussions are the most articulate and fastest-reacting, but wisdom isn't always correlated with those qualities. We need to lower the barrier for participation on online discussions.

Kevin: We cant' expect to create a tool that creates an intelligent discussion, but we can hope to facilitate more intelligent discussions.

Betty Sue: An ancillary tool could facilitate moderated discussions for specific groups to drive to consensus for that group.

more comments from silona and james that i didn't catch...


Scene 3:

Linda: We poll scientists, get their opnions online, cite sources, link to the references, then document the percentage of consensus we can achive, like 90% and say "here is the 10% we can't agree on."

Joseph:By linking to videos or documents directly that could show a source more materially than a simple cite does would be something we could do now.

Talmud as user interface for consensu wiki

Hunter: the goal is to make the discussion clear, whereas trying to build to agreement is a different thing. Most of the people are disabled by never having heard good arguments on topics.


Scene 2:

Corporation having an identity in a social network, as an 'actor', with the ability to name 'agents' to participate for them in community environments.

Kevin: There are a number of use cases embodied in that script.


Scene I:

Baseline info regarding legislative realities:

  • Legislators' staff struggle to do their jobs in terms of processing citizen input and finding information relative to a bill or issue.
    • Greg: Lobbyists basically do the staffers' jobs for them and do the research, write the bill, and give it to the staffer who gives it to the legislator who bring it to the floor.
  • Kathy: After a bill is passed there is a regulatory process that follows to implement the legislation. That is part of hte budgetary process.


Mark Strama: Campaign finance is part of every issue, though it's not reported that way by the media.


Act I, Morning:


Some key ideas:


  • dialogue
  • meaning-making
  • tracking funding sources/campaign finance/follow the money
  • baseline: (what is the baseline for the transparent federal budget currently?)
  • annotation
  • problem definition


Links to Connect the Dots-type tools:


http://www.xigi.net -->person and organization map (Kevin is here)

http://www.wikimindmap.org [try: http://www.wikimindmap.org/viewmap.php?wiki=en.wikipedia.org&topic=legislation&Submit=Search]

http://sunlightlabs.com/visualizingearmarks/ --> A number of different earmark tools

http://www.theyrule.net/ -- > Visualization of Corp. Board Members


Hunter: perhaps not a Transparent budget, but an Illuminated budget to help organize the design questions which involve getting collaboration from the people who will put annoation in.


Josh: Engineers want the problem to solve, and they're frustrated right now because we don't have one yet. It's not a data problem. We need to get ideas up on the web in an organized way.


We need to remember that not all of our audience is familiar with web tools. We need to define terms and teach people.


Meaning Making: previous tool

Westlawn Annotation Model


Bloomberg has a model for providing users with teh next piece of information that they need

Concensus is not the way to approach a multidimensional problem. A market is the way to approach something where you create more value the more it is divided ( derivatives, futures, etc). Markets might be a way to approach building something where you want to display a fractal portfolio of attention and agency. Which, btw, mirrors the way the Midrash circles around a Torah text; I've bought into Maimonides at 25 percent on this issue and Asher Lev 45 percent on this part, etc.


a design principle could be where disagreements add value. thats how markets work. it's the opposite of consensus but it's how the most efficient allocation fo resources, the market system, works.

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